trues, national security issues, what the role of government is, food stamps, a whole slew of issues over the last weeks where we've seen republicans actually unable to govern because the basic form -- the basis of their party, the tea party is really driving them to be able to say no to everything. >> so in the end do the democrats win out of this? >> no, they both win. this is basically, hey, everybody, i'm running in 2016, and this is the kind of republican i will be, and they're laying out the difference, and i think what you're going to see is this range, right, with chris christie on one side, rand paul on the other and whatever candidates are in between who are also taking their sides and that's -- the challenge i think is going to be when you look back at the gop autopsy, right, is which republican party are we going to be? can you get through a primary and get through -- >> do we know, george? >> if the indictment of libertarianism is is that it prevented the passage of an execrable farm bill, the libertarians can live with that, right? >> okay, it also said -- the position of the republican party now is that we're going to double cut the people who are hungry. we're going to say we'll give double cuts on food stamps because we want to give more to ag subsidies.